[00:00:00] Hello and welcome back to not another mindset show. I am really, really hoping that you can’t hear the freaking weed whacker outside of my window. I sat down to do this episode and I quite literally have 45 minutes before I have a call I have to get on and this is my only chance to get this done today and I so badly need to check it off my list.

So, Apologies in advance if there is a little bit of noise in the background, but I’m hopeful that this microphone is as good as it says it is, and is able to not pick up on that. Um, I’m excited for this episode, and I don’t know if the working title that I have in my notes right now is the title that we actually ended up sticking with, but the original title was, Shit Coaches Say on the Internet, and It’s ultimately up to my team [00:01:00] to decide whether or not that title gets to stay because they are more in the know of SEO friendly titles and what people are actually searching for, which is probably not this.

But I do feel, I feel like it’s a good title and I feel like people would be likely to click on it. Um, little like clickbaity, but it’s not, it’s not really clickbait if you actually follow through on what you’ve seen. say you’re going to talk about, right? It’s just good marketing at that point. Um, but I’m excited to talk about this because there is, there really is so much shit out there and I want to preface this.

Very heavily with the fact that I am not here to come after and just bash other people for what they’re saying and just tell you that all of these people are terrible, don’t know what they’re doing, that’s, that’s not the goal, my goal forever and always.

And I think some ways I can [00:02:00] do that is showcase things that I do see out there on the internet said by coaches, and how it could be said differently, or why it’s problematic in the first place, because I think that’s, that’s big Part of this, right, is that most coaches don’t know any different, and it’s also to no fault of their own, because they were never taught any different.

And most of our nutrition and exercise certification programs, specializations, whatever, are not talking about this stuff. They’re not talking about behavior change and psychology and mindset and how that’s literally the foundation of everything. It doesn’t matter how much you know about macros and progressive overload.

If you can’t actually communicate to your clients and they’re not following through on the plan in the first place, right? Right. So anyway, I’m already getting fired up, but I’ve literally not even started. So I have a couple concepts I want to talk about first, and then I literally have screenshots that I want to [00:03:00] share.

And, um, Isaiah, I’ll have you put up those screenshots when I do get to them. Um, they don’t have names on them. They are just screenshots. In fact, a couple of them actually came from Sarah, who is a co instructor inside the health mindset coaching certification. And she sent them to me and was like, Basically just like, Oh my gosh, look at this.

Like, look at what people are saying on threads. And I was thinking to myself, Hmm, I, this needs to be expanded upon. Like we need to talk about this stuff. And I had found something before and I was like, you know, I’m just going to start collecting these and probably do a podcast episode. So here we are.

Um, so the biggest, the biggest issue, kind of overarching issue that I already just touched on is that people, coaches, coaches, health and fitness professionals, don’t have the training and the education that they need in order to really help clients work through like self sabotaging behaviors, lack of adherence, [00:04:00] not able to stick to the plan, low motivation, all of this stuff.

And, Again, to no fault of their own, because it’s not being taught, which is literally why the Health Mindset Coaching Certification exists. It’s why I do everything that I do. It’s why I’m sitting in this chair freaking talking to you beautiful people right now. It’s everything that I do, and it is such a massive gap in the industry, and one that I saw when I was, when I was in my, you know, Getting my PhD, doing this research and recognizing how important this, what this stuff was to help people change their behaviors and therefore change their lives.

And it’s, it’s nowhere to be found. If anything, it’s a section of a 30 section certification. And therefore I made an entire certification to help fill that gap. But I digress, if you are interested in the certification, if you want some free lessons to get started, there is a link, or I’ll make sure that there’s a link in the show notes, [00:05:00] to grab five free lessons and get on the wait list for the next round of the Health Mindset Coaching Certification, which will be early next year in 2025.

We are right now going through a cohort, so. With that said, let’s get into it. So I, I kind of teed this up already, but I think the, the, just the biggest predicament that coaches are in is that, and you can not tell me this is not true if you are a coach listening to this, because it is true. And coaches want easy clients.

They want clients that are already motivated. Wouldn’t it be great if your roster was filled with 40 people who checked in on time every week, did exactly as you told them to follow the plan to the T and saw results and had no complaints or required no handholding. Easy money. makes your life so much better.

You probably feel like you’re a much better coach in [00:06:00] those situations. There’s, there’s so much good that comes from that, but it’s not reality and it will never be reality. Um, it can get pretty close to reality if you have the tools and the skills to help your clients work through this stuff, but they still are going to start somewhere.

And that somewhere is likely not motivated. If people were motivated, they knew exactly what they needed to do, they didn’t need a ton of handholding and help, they didn’t need you to repeat the same thing multiple times, then they wouldn’t be hiring you. They wouldn’t need you if they were already motivated.

And that is the predicament. That is the biggest predicament. Coaches want easy, already motivated clients, but the fact of the matter is people are coming to you because they’re not motivated and they need your help with that. If they could do this stuff on their own, they wouldn’t. The coaching industry wouldn’t exist.

So that’s the main predicament. So first and foremost, for your own mindset [00:07:00] sake, really spend some time thinking about this. Do you really, really want just only easy clients? Like I have heard this so many times for coaches that it’s like, don’t, don’t even sign up to work with me. With me. If you’re not ready to get started and you’re not going to put in the effort, and this is a two-way street, blah, blah, blah, and like, oh yeah, it’s true.

It is a two-way street. It’s a relationship. That’s absolutely the case. There needs to be effort on both ends, but big, big, the biggest, but people aren’t already in a place to be consistent. That’s quite literally your job as a coach. So if you are currently listening to this and thinking, okay, I hear you.

I’m willing to listen to this and understand that that is the case, but I don’t know what I’m supposed to do. My hands are tied when they’re self sabotaging. I don’t know how to help them in those situations. Then you need to get more education and training and Shame, [00:08:00] like zero shame in this plug. That is why the health mindset coaching certification exists.

I also have a lot of lower tier programs like DIY workshops, the mindset coaching, kickstart, the self sabotage solution, a bunch of things to kind of get you started. I also have tons of free resources. I mentioned those five free lessons before my freaking Instagram content. This podcast is full of free tips and tricks to help your clients with these things.

So. Just know that it is possible, though, that because clients are unmotivated, they’re self sabotaging, whatever, and it feels like you can’t do anything about that, you just want to fill your roster with clients who are the opposite of that and are the easy ones, right? Just know that that doesn’t have to be the case.

And in fact, you can get to a point, and my students will attest to this, where you get excited when you have a client who feels stuck in their ways, they have limiting beliefs, they’re self sabotaging because you actually know how to help them. And that’s kind of like. at the core of the matters. Like, if you don’t know how to help them, [00:09:00] then you’re not going to be able to, and you’re going to constantly be seeking the easy clients.

But the reality is, All of the clients out there that are yours for the taking, 90 percent of them are unmotivated and cannot stay consistent, and that’s why they need a coach. So, that is like, that’s, that’s the, kind of the foundational predicament that we’re in here. Um, and part of this too is like, and we’ll get into this when I bring up some of these screenshots as well, but another phrase that I hear all the time and it is so fun for me to like, Unravel and unpack this phrase.

You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make them drink. The person who came up with this phrase needed to go through my certification. And again, there’s some truth to it, right? Like, of course, of course I’m not sitting here and telling you that you’re going to have to go walk up to your client’s door, [00:10:00] tell them to get in the car and take them to the gym.

You’re not going to meal prep for them. You’re not going to look in the mirror with them and say, you look beautiful, don’t you dare say one bad thing about your body. You know, like, you’re not going to be able to do those things. And yes, that’s true, obviously, right? But you can do other things. You can do a lot of other things to help that client drink said water.

Can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make them drink. No. But you can sweeten the water, but you could maybe go grab a bucket, fill it with water and bring it to them and explain to them how you did that. You can ask them, anytime in the past when you’ve drank water, how were you able to do that? Tell me more about that time.

If you can’t do it right now, no big deal, but let’s talk about when you were able to do it in the past. There’s [00:11:00] a lot of things you can do to make that water. easier to drink, more likely to drink, more drinkable by your client. I don’t want to, it’s going to say if you’re like, what’s the, the phrase, like you’re beating a dead horse, which is funny because I’m talking about horses drinking water.

It’s also an awful phrase. Is there a better one? I don’t want to beat a horse ever dead or alive. Jeez. Roth, all these phrases about horses. Um, so, with that said, that is the perspective that I want you to take going forward as a coach that you don’t need to do everything for your clients. You’re not expected to do everything for your clients, but there is a whole hell of a lot of things that you can do to make things easier on your clients and help them, guide them to a place where they are doing it for themselves.

And that is the beauty of coaching. Mindset and behavior change work with clients is that it it will be a little bit more [00:12:00] work up front for you for sure. I’m not going to lie about that. Like you may have to ask more questions. You may have to do more things. We have to spend more time with that person.

But then over time, they are going to start to figure out how to do things on their own and it’s going to require less time for you. It’s kind of like, um, a reverse situation because in most just like standard coaching relationships with a coach who doesn’t have any understanding in these areas that we’re talking about, that client may start off more motivated than not because they’re excited, they’re getting started, they’re doing something new, they just hired a coach, da da da da, and then a few months in, they start falling off, they stop checking in, you’re a few more months in, and you’re like barely hearing from them, or when they do, they’re like, half assing it, or they are really consistent through the week and then not consistent in the weekends.

And now it’s taking more time from you at that point, like later on in the relationship, because you’re having to go back to them and suggest new things and try this other thing and get on the phone and talk about other solutions and come up with the game plan number [00:13:00] 645. And that’s all going to be really frustrating for the both of you and take a lot of time and it’s going to get you nowhere.

Whereas if you’re implementing some of this together, stuff at the forefront from a mindset and behavior change perspective. It’s going to take you a little bit more time, but it’s not going to be super frustrating. It’s going to show more success, more results for your clients quicker and better. And just make it easier and less time consuming later on.

And that client’s more likely to stay with you longer too. So your retention increases, you know, it’s just, obviously I’m incredibly biased, but that is really the way we should all be coaching. So let me. Pull up some screenshots here. So, I have three that I want to share. Which one do we want to start with here?

Oh man. Okay, so there is a theme amongst all of these two that is just lacking personal responsibility. [00:14:00] And when coaches, lack personal responsibility and they’re putting the responsibility off on the client to not be successful, not stick with the plan, whatever. It’s, it’s the client’s fault, right? It’s not the coach’s fault.

The coach is, the coach is upholding their end of the bargain by making the plan and the client just needs to execute. Um, this is, this is, this is, this is, this is, really to me an indicator that the coaches who are doing this have a fixed mindset because they are assuming that they can’t do anything.

They’re assuming that this person who’s not checking in, they are not consistent with the plan, whatever, that that’s on the client. I, as your coach, I can’t do anything about that. So, whose responsibility is it? Of course, the other party. The client. Can’t be me, as the coach. And that is such a fixed way of seeing things because, again, the reality is that there is so much you can be [00:15:00] doing and you should always be operating from a place.

If you’re multitasking right now, come back to me and listen to this because it is so important. And if you’re a coach, this is something you need to be always coming back to. In a situation where you’re frustrated, where a client’s not sticking to the plan, where there’s self sabotaging patterns going on over and over again, if you can just try to remain in this place of there’s something that I can do here to make this better and make it easier for this client, I am responsible for this person’s success.

And Here’s the thing, I don’t want you to take full responsibility because it is a two way street, this is a relationship, but the more you can operate from taking responsibility rather than pushing off responsibility to the client, the better coach you’re going to be. Period. End of story. So, okay, on that note, God, I am just going off and I kind of anticipated that I would do this.

Okay. So, the first one is actually [00:16:00] a, I mean, these are all from threads, which I really don’t spend a lot of time on, and when I do, I end up making podcasts like this, apparently. So, I was actually responding to Eric Helms, which, we love him in the evidence based, um, strength training space. He had a really great, um, I’m not going to read the whole thing because it’s, it’s a pretty beefy there.

What was I just saying? Pretty beefy paragraph. I don’t know what word was trying to come out of my mouth just now. Um, but he’s essentially talking about how coaches will market themselves as a product rather than a service. So they’ll say something like I’ve, this is like per his, um, thread. I’ve gotten 50, I’ve gotten clients 50 pro cards this year or look at these 12 week transformations I produced.

So he’s saying basically like I do X for you, which makes you seem more like a product, like buy this thing, get this result versus [00:17:00] doing something with you and having more of a collaboration. And really showcasing yourself as a service rather than a product. So I loved this. And I responded and said, and then those same coaches turn around and get pissed when their clients require too much handholding and aren’t autonomous.

So these people who are saying, I can do this for you. I have clients who have, I have 50 pro cards under my belt. I Can, I have this many like amazing transformations. It just makes it seem like you’re more of like a machine, like input, output, input, output, output. And so then if you’re, my comment, right, was that those types of coaches are the same ones who are saying that clients are showing up and they aren’t motivated.

They require too much, like they’re not whatever. So that was just my like little, like, I hear you and, um, type of response. And then. Someone came back, another coach came back and said there’s a limit, [00:18:00] they’re paying for a coach, not a parent or a therapist. I recently dropped a client because they were too needy.

Okay, obviously there’s some truth here, just like with all of the things I’ve been saying, okay, okay, um. Obviously, you guys know what camp I’m in here, but I can see and observe. I have psychological flexibility, for those of you who listened to the last episode. And I can see other perspectives and understand.

You’re right, if someone’s paying for a coach, they aren’t looking for probably mothering or fathering. They’re not looking to have a therapist in the room. And coaches who act as therapists should not be doing that, if that’s the case. You know, like, that’s not what coaching is. Please don’t pretend to be a therapist, if you’re not one, obviously.

So, okay, there’s a limit. So if you have a client coming in and saying like, I’m looking for therapy, I’m looking for a parent figure, then [00:19:00] like, please talk to that client and say, that’s not what I’m doing as your health and fitness coach. But this, second half of the response. I recently dropped a client because they were too needy.

My first thought, my first raw, blunt, unfiltered thought is that the reason that this client is too needy is because of this coach. And I say that with pretty full confidence, given the rest of the thread, that it’s just immediately not taking responsibility. Right. And again, I, I agree. As a coach, you shouldn’t be a parent or a therapist.

Like, that should not be the role that you’re playing in your client’s lives. But just even bringing that up, that it’s just an immediate pass off of responsibility. And the fact that this person dropped a client because they were too needy, Like, where is that coming from? Like, my first reaction would be like, where is this neediness coming from?

Why do you feel so dependent on your coach that you are so needy? What is [00:20:00] lacking in that relationship? And I always like to come back to, and I believe I explained this in previous episodes. I hope I did. If not, I’m definitely going to say it again because it’s so important. Uh, basic psychological needs.

Things that. At a basic level, make you feel like you can stay motivated, continue working towards things, are ABCs. Autonomy, belongingness, and competence. So if you have a client who is really needy, really reliant on you. My first thought would be, are they missing some autonomy? Do they actually feel like they belong in the coaching relationship in your community?

Do they actually feel like they have some competency, some skills, the ability to do the things that are maybe being asked of them? And I am making an assumption here, but I feel like there’s a good chance that this client that was fired by this coach actually was lacking. one or maybe all of those things and therefore felt like they [00:21:00] needed to glom on to the coach to get everything from them because they didn’t feel competent or autonomous enough to do it themselves.

And that really more often than not is what’s at the core of quote unquote, needy clients. If a client feels extra dependent on you and needy, that’s because they’re not getting something in the coaching relationship that would help them feel independent and to make their own choices. And, um, I think I’m gonna leave it at that for that one.

Okay. The next one. Which one? I got two more. Okay. So this one is, um, this one’s good because I mean, it’s not good, but it’s relevant to what we are talking about. Um, and very relevant to what I was already saying with the, you can lead a horse to water, you can’t make them drink type of comment. So this person, this coach said, Lifestyle changes hard.

The client still has to do 90 percent of the work. [00:22:00] Your coach can’t work out for you or meal prep or track macros or make any of the thousands of decisions that get results. Coaching can devolve into throwing money at the problem. Plus now the client has someone else to blame.

I like, I really need to sometimes just like pause and think about how I’m going to react to these things because I’ve also To be, to be totally honest with you all, I have put up certain reels and ads Talking about this stuff that there are so many coaches out there who like claim to be mindset coaches But don’t have any formal training or there’s stuff like this going on That’s really not helping clients see results and coaches are frustrated But they are don’t realize that they are part of the problem and I get reamed A lot of the time.

Um, mostly on ads, not so much on Instagram because you guys are like my people and you [00:23:00] get it and you support me and you love me, I hope. Um, but on ads when it’s going in front of people who don’t really know me yet, it’s just immediately people telling me that I’m putting people down and I’m, I’m not seeing this the right way or whatever.

Um, so I am cautious when I respond to things, even when I’m talking to you guys here and I know that you are my loyal audience. You, you get where I’m coming from and I really am just trying to make a difference and make things better. Um, but okay, so with this person, We talked about the lead a horse to water can’t make them drink, type of thing already.

So like, I get it, yeah, your coach of course can’t work out for you, can’t track macros for you, duh. Yes. I’m, I’m with that for sure. Lifestyle change is hard. Yes, I am with that for sure. But our, And I think her goal as the coach should be to help the client make it as easy as possible for them, not see it as like this super hard, arduous task, this thing that is going to be so difficult for them to change.

And so the fact that this coach is starting with lifestyle change is hard already makes me think like [00:24:00] she’s saying this is a really difficult thing and that may be what she’s going to her clients and saying. And I think it’s. It’s totally fair and honestly a good thing to go to your clients and say like, you’ve been operating in this way and have had these habits and behaviors for so long, it’s not going to change overnight.

And it is going to feel difficult sometimes, but just know, this is the part, this is the important part, just know that when things are difficult and they feel challenging, that means you’re, you’re brushing up against. Your new lifestyle, your new way of being, that change that you’re seeking, you’re, you’re brushing, brushing up against that every time you feel that challenge.

And if you’re just saying, lifestyle change is hard, 90 percent of this stuff is on the client, not the coach, I don’t think you are having the conversation in the way that I was just describing it, about things being difficult. Um, so that’s where my brain goes with, um, That also, and the idea of like coaching just turning into [00:25:00] throwing money at a problem, I’m sure that can happen, right?

But again, if you’re approaching like your sales calls and prospective clients thinking, Oh, this person just wants to throw money at me and hope that the problem of their unhealthy lifestyle goes away. If that’s the place that you’re operating from as a coach, I, I, I’m assuming you’re probably not feeling really good about your job.

Like if that’s the place that you think that people are coming from, it’s just, it’s really not productive. Um, and now the client has someone else to blame. So if you just see as a co, like I, I’m a health and fitness coach and I am here to give my clients someone to blame. Gosh, what an awful existence.

Really, not to be dramatic, but, so again, it’s just, it’s lack of, um, personal responsibility all said and, and done within that specific [00:26:00] thread. And I just, I really have to think that that coach would probably be so much happier and feel so much better doing what they’re doing if they were coming from a place of, it’s my job.

job to make lifestyle change easier, even though it is something that is hard. It’s my duty as a coach to help this client not feel like they’re just throwing money at a problem, but they’re really getting something out of this that’s going to change their life forever. And how much different being in that perspective, that mindset about what you’re capable of as a coach.

Then the latter and again, I do think a lot of this comes down to a fixed mindset and the just unfortunate standing that the health and fitness coaching industry is in and essentially the lies that so many coaches are telling themselves that they don’t have the power or the ability to help their clients work through self sabotaging behaviors and fixed mindsets and [00:27:00] limiting beliefs and low motivation when the reality is you have a lot of power and you have a really important job.

So, yeah. Bye. And it’s really cool what we get to do. So, the last one I will bring up here, because I’m starting to feel a little bit, like, icky getting into these, to be honest. This person said, this coach said, Why hire a coach, pay a coach, and then not follow the protocol, and then complain about not getting results.

This one is, um,

Why are you a coach? Honestly, that’s my first thought. Why are you a coach in the first place if you are expecting every person to pay you, follow everything to a T, and see immediate results? Because that is not what coaching is. [00:28:00] I’m sorry that you need to find a new profession.

Maybe that was a little bit harsh. Um, because again, like I reeling it in Casey real reel it in. Um, I understand where this is coming from. And again, it’s because of a lack of understanding what you’re capable of as a coach. And, um, I feel like kind of like a broken record saying that, but it’s true. And that’s where so much of this comes back to.

So I can, I can get angry about this because I’m like, no, this is not how coaches should be operating. And this is such a disservice to the people that are paying you. If. This is the perspective that you’re operating from because this person who’s paying you and is then having a hard time following the protocol and then complaining, probably just like upset that they’re not seeing the results they were expecting to see, that is just much, just as much on the coach, if not more, than it is on the client.

[00:29:00] Just paying someone, like me, if I were a client. Which I am, by the way. In fact, I’ve had a coach, um, who’s also one of my best friends at this point for the last seven years I’ve been with her. Um, if I went to her, and paid her to coach me, and just, assumed that I’m going to get the results. Like, I don’t think most people are operating from that perspective.

I really don’t. They don’t think you’re just going to show up at their house and start doing everything for them once you pay them, right? Um, so like, that way of thinking is just like, so irrational to begin with. But I, uh, If I was struggling to find motivation and be consistent, and I was second guessing what I was doing in my health and fitness journey, and I went and paid my coach to help me work through those things, and she just delivered me protocols, and I had a hard time following those protocols, And then to think that my coach would then be blaming me for [00:30:00] that is so sad.

It’s so sad. There’s so much that goes into why someone might not be able to stick to a protocol and follow something and just be. Throwing, it’s not throwing money at a problem at that point. It’s going to someone that you look up to most likely, that you see as an expert in health and fitness and go, you’ve got this figured out for yourself.

You’ve done this for so many other clients. I would be happy to pay you to help me do the same thing. That, that piece, help me do the same thing. does not just happen. That is, that’s what coaching is, that part. And if you accept money from a client and deliver them a protocol, and then they have a hard time following that, and then they don’t get results and they’re upset about not getting results, that’s not the client’s fault.

It’s really not. Um, I would, if you’re [00:31:00] feeling like you’re in this place, like, I hope that I’m not making you too angry, but I really want you to, like, take a look at what your coaching practices actually entail. Because it’s not about just accepting money, giving a protocol, and then watching your client get results.

There are so many more things in between protocol and results that should be happening from the coach that is, that is the coach’s responsibility to provide guidance, to help that client with lack of motivation, to help them work through self sabotaging behaviors. That is something that is the responsibility of the coach.

And if you don’t agree with me, then, like, I probably can’t be in the same room with you, to be honest. We definitely can’t be friends, okay? So, before I just, like, continue to get angry and talk in angry circles, I really want to bring it back to the fact that I’m not just here to, [00:32:00] like, bash these coaches that are saying these things.

And instead, just make a very clear and aware statement that there’s so much more you could be doing. And You would really stand standing. What am I trying to say here? Um, taking more responsibility as the coach is actually going to be or do so much good in your coaching practices And that doesn’t mean that you take a hundred percent of the responsibility that the client has zero responsibility Like please don’t twist my words and say that but instead like per these tweets Tweets.

What are they? Twitter doesn’t even exist anymore, right? Um, these threads, things that coaches are saying, like, it, it just seems like a holy lack of responsibility. And I think if we could at least just push it in that direction, then coaches can start to think more flexibly, think more [00:33:00] creatively with these problems that the clients are presenting them with and help them.

Guide them to new solutions, different solutions, see more results, and like, ultimately, like, guys, you have to remember, like, my goal here is to make you feel really fulfilled, help you feel really fulfilled in your coaching. endeavors, that you don’t have to go and sit down to a client check in and dread it because you know that person’s just gonna not check in again or not follow through again and how frustrating that can be and how draining that can be.

That doesn’t have to be the case. It can be so much better than that and when it’s so much better than that you’re happier. And then also, like, your clients are getting better results, and then they’re going and telling their friends and sending you more clients, you’re getting more referrals, you’re retaining clients longer, which, actually, oh my gosh, this is a perfect example.

I just spoke to an HMCC alumni member yesterday and got him to do a testimonial about this, because this [00:34:00] is so awesome, and prior to HMCC, his client, clients were only staying for like three to four months on average, I believe. And now the average is 11. 4 months that clients are staying. And he attributes that entirely to the Going through the Health Mindset Coaching Certification and learning these skills that I’m talking about.

And probably taking responsibility for his client’s success and not just pushing it off on the client. Right? So, hi, how beautiful is this? Your clients feel better, you feel better, you’re happier, you’re more fulfilled, you’re getting more clients, clients are staying longer, you’re making more money, like this is all really, this win win win win win situation.

So, as much as it can seem like I might be just like an angry, jaded person from academia who knows a lot about mindset research and the importance of it in coaching practices. I’m, I’m doing this for a reason because I know it’s going to make your life better as a coach and make your clients lives better too.[00:35:00] 

Make the industry better. That is what we’re here to do. Okay.

I feel like I’ve ended the last few episodes just like having to take really deep breaths. But I really hope it just shows you how passionate, there’s a lot of passion, lots and lots of passion over here. Okay, we’re going to wrap it up there. I hope this was helpful, interesting at least to hear me like go off on these topics, um, and maybe hopefully what really is my, my biggest hope is that it’s at least making you think differently.

And that’s all I can hope. I will see you next time for the next episode and. Please, please, please, please, reach out, especially with this episode. Reach out and let me know what you think. Um, feel free to share any feedback. I’m here for it. Give me all the feedback. We’ve talked about feedback in previous episodes, and it is really important to get that feedback.

Um, and I [00:36:00] will actually, officially leave it at that, and see you next [00:37:00] time.